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		<title>By: John Bonitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2010/02/02/cellulosic-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bonitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, thanks for the feedback.

Regarding the question of sustainability for any particular bioenergy facility, SACE reviews biopower and biofuels projects carefully on a case-by-case basis, looking at basic and advanced criteria including environmental, economic, social impacts, and energy supply &amp; demand.  Specifically we evaluate feedstock types, feedstock supply, energy output, efficiency, nearby projects, jobs and local economic development, emissions, water use, and numerous other criteria. While we look at projects on a case-by-case basis, we also consider how the project will impact a transition in the way we produce energy in our region.     

Regarding genetically engineered trees, SACE has not yet formalized a policy on this.  However, based on our estimates, we currently do not see this as necessary to meet our biomass resource supply needs. 

We appreciate your questions and will look at engaging our members in future discussions like these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, thanks for the feedback.</p>
<p>Regarding the question of sustainability for any particular bioenergy facility, SACE reviews biopower and biofuels projects carefully on a case-by-case basis, looking at basic and advanced criteria including environmental, economic, social impacts, and energy supply &amp; demand.  Specifically we evaluate feedstock types, feedstock supply, energy output, efficiency, nearby projects, jobs and local economic development, emissions, water use, and numerous other criteria. While we look at projects on a case-by-case basis, we also consider how the project will impact a transition in the way we produce energy in our region.     </p>
<p>Regarding genetically engineered trees, SACE has not yet formalized a policy on this.  However, based on our estimates, we currently do not see this as necessary to meet our biomass resource supply needs. </p>
<p>We appreciate your questions and will look at engaging our members in future discussions like these.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2010/02/02/cellulosic-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the response, and for the link to the scientific paper on biofuels.  It is interesting and relevant reading.  

One of the five streams that are designated as &quot;ok&quot; in the paper are, &quot;Sustainably harvested wood and forest residues.&quot;  We all know the word &quot;sustainable&quot; is a nebulous and oft-corrupted word, and such language does not ensure adequate safeguards.  That being said, how has SACE determined/certified that the facility in the article above and others individually and collectively now and in the future will meet a sustainability standard.

And it would be fantastic for SACE to establish a position that clearly discourages planting genetically engineered trees in our region.  Can we expect that?  Can the members vote on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the response, and for the link to the scientific paper on biofuels.  It is interesting and relevant reading.  </p>
<p>One of the five streams that are designated as &#8220;ok&#8221; in the paper are, &#8220;Sustainably harvested wood and forest residues.&#8221;  We all know the word &#8220;sustainable&#8221; is a nebulous and oft-corrupted word, and such language does not ensure adequate safeguards.  That being said, how has SACE determined/certified that the facility in the article above and others individually and collectively now and in the future will meet a sustainability standard.</p>
<p>And it would be fantastic for SACE to establish a position that clearly discourages planting genetically engineered trees in our region.  Can we expect that?  Can the members vote on it?</p>
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		<title>By: John Bonitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2010/02/02/cellulosic-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bonitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your concerns, Joshua. We agree, and that&#039;s why SACE is &lt;strong&gt;quite equivocal&lt;/strong&gt; in our support for cellulosic ethanol.  We constantly point to the need for sustainability, and are quite mindful of these complexities.  Perhaps we should have put greater emphasis on this point, but Dr Smith&#039;s blog entry included a link to an article about scientific consensus on which types of biomass are truly sustainable.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/biomass_consensus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/biomass_consensus&lt;/a&gt;  I commend this paper to you.  The scientists endorsing this position even include Dr Tim Searchinger, famous for his criticisms of biofuels.

As for Arborgen, I was pleasantly surprised to hear Dr Maud Hinchee presenting last week on the tremendous productivity gains our woodlands can gain &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; genetic engineering.  See the middle scenarios in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scbiomass.org/Publications/SC%20RE%20Forum%20Presentations/MaudHinchee.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;slides 10 and 11 of this PDF&lt;/a&gt;.  

As for working with other organizations, we welcome collaboration wherever possible.  We work frequently with the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) on biomass issues.  In Georgia, just this past Monday we had a very productive meeting with a broad coalition of groups, the second in a series of dialogues with more than 24 GA environmental groups seeking to learn more about biomass electricity.  In North Carolina we collaborate regularly with a coalition of nearly a dozen different environmental groups, with the facilitation of the NC Conservation Network.  

Getting biomass energy right is going to be a challenge, but it is vitally important that we do everything we can to get it right.  Whenever and wherever people are willing to engage in serious dialogue on this subject, we strive to be there.  So, thank you for engaging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your concerns, Joshua. We agree, and that&#8217;s why SACE is <strong>quite equivocal</strong> in our support for cellulosic ethanol.  We constantly point to the need for sustainability, and are quite mindful of these complexities.  Perhaps we should have put greater emphasis on this point, but Dr Smith&#8217;s blog entry included a link to an article about scientific consensus on which types of biomass are truly sustainable.  <a href="http://bit.ly/biomass_consensus" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/biomass_consensus</a>  I commend this paper to you.  The scientists endorsing this position even include Dr Tim Searchinger, famous for his criticisms of biofuels.</p>
<p>As for Arborgen, I was pleasantly surprised to hear Dr Maud Hinchee presenting last week on the tremendous productivity gains our woodlands can gain <em>without</em> genetic engineering.  See the middle scenarios in <a href="http://www.scbiomass.org/Publications/SC%20RE%20Forum%20Presentations/MaudHinchee.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides 10 and 11 of this PDF</a>.  </p>
<p>As for working with other organizations, we welcome collaboration wherever possible.  We work frequently with the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) on biomass issues.  In Georgia, just this past Monday we had a very productive meeting with a broad coalition of groups, the second in a series of dialogues with more than 24 GA environmental groups seeking to learn more about biomass electricity.  In North Carolina we collaborate regularly with a coalition of nearly a dozen different environmental groups, with the facilitation of the NC Conservation Network.  </p>
<p>Getting biomass energy right is going to be a challenge, but it is vitally important that we do everything we can to get it right.  Whenever and wherever people are willing to engage in serious dialogue on this subject, we strive to be there.  So, thank you for engaging!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2010/02/02/cellulosic-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a member and a big fan of many of SACE&#039;s program but I find it troubling that SACE would unequivocally support cellulosic ethanol without safeguards for the forest resources that will be necessary to feed such facilities on a large scale, and that SACE would tout Arborgen and its development of genetically engineered trees for this purpose, when there are serious dangers for the native biodiversity and the water resources of our region.   I think that SACE is demonstrating some tunnel vision with these positions and needs to work more with other organizations to find a truly sustainable path which embraces new energy technologies and innovation but does not sacrifice the other natural assets of the southern US in the process.   If you have research or a vision for how we can ramp up cellulosic biofuel from trees without threatening natural forests and biodiversity (and without GE trees), it would be welcome reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member and a big fan of many of SACE&#8217;s program but I find it troubling that SACE would unequivocally support cellulosic ethanol without safeguards for the forest resources that will be necessary to feed such facilities on a large scale, and that SACE would tout Arborgen and its development of genetically engineered trees for this purpose, when there are serious dangers for the native biodiversity and the water resources of our region.   I think that SACE is demonstrating some tunnel vision with these positions and needs to work more with other organizations to find a truly sustainable path which embraces new energy technologies and innovation but does not sacrifice the other natural assets of the southern US in the process.   If you have research or a vision for how we can ramp up cellulosic biofuel from trees without threatening natural forests and biodiversity (and without GE trees), it would be welcome reading.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Real Estate Conditions in The Miami-Dade Metro Area &#124; Cool Articles &#124; Miami-Dade County FL Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2010/02/02/cellulosic-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, thanks for your comment, what is the feedstock that you propose to use for &quot;farm produced ethanol&quot;? 
The reason we support cellulosic ethanol is it allows for the use of some sugars, cellulose and hemicellulose which currently can not be used in fermentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, thanks for your comment, what is the feedstock that you propose to use for &#8220;farm produced ethanol&#8221;?<br />
The reason we support cellulosic ethanol is it allows for the use of some sugars, cellulose and hemicellulose which currently can not be used in fermentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2010/02/02/cellulosic-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a waste of taxpayers money when we could already be using old fashion fermentation to produce ethanol fuel for a fraction of the cost of &quot;researching&quot; unproven cellulosic ethanol production so the mega corporations can keep a stranglehold on our fuel supplies. 

Ford&#039;s Model A, ran on alcohol and you could buy farm produced alcohol all across the nation.

Alcohol is the world&#039;s second oldest profession.  Also fermentation ethanol fuel production produces co-products that can be used to produce more organic foods than are used to create ethanol.  It is an amazing example of true permaculture than can support successful and sustainable agriculture for many generations to come.  The key to our success in clean fuels will be in small scale community ethanol production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a waste of taxpayers money when we could already be using old fashion fermentation to produce ethanol fuel for a fraction of the cost of &#8220;researching&#8221; unproven cellulosic ethanol production so the mega corporations can keep a stranglehold on our fuel supplies. </p>
<p>Ford&#8217;s Model A, ran on alcohol and you could buy farm produced alcohol all across the nation.</p>
<p>Alcohol is the world&#8217;s second oldest profession.  Also fermentation ethanol fuel production produces co-products that can be used to produce more organic foods than are used to create ethanol.  It is an amazing example of true permaculture than can support successful and sustainable agriculture for many generations to come.  The key to our success in clean fuels will be in small scale community ethanol production.</p>
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